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Ordo Rosarius Equilibrio an interview with Tomas Pettersson I would like to know your understanding on the alliance of the terms "Ordo" and "Equilibrio", when, how and why did you come to a decision to give birth to this project and if you channel your own feelings (and, to some extent, frustrations) through the music as a method of self-catharsis? My interpretation of Ordo signifies Order, whilst Equilibrio signifies Balance/Equilibrium; consequently equaling "The Order of Balance" (optionally "Order and Balance"). I established Ordo Equilibrio in May 1993, following my departure from Archon Satani, as a consequence of enduring creativity that needed to be directed; but recently, the foundation of Ordo Equilibrio transfigured by reason of Chelsea's departure and which has ensued in the wedlock between Equilibrium and Roses - erecting Ordo Rosarius Equilibrio-The Order of Roses and Balance. Ordo Rosarius Equilibrio is who I am; it is the invariable reflection and aesthetic utilisation of my nature and what I personally find interesting. And my essential determination is thus to create music for the purpose of my individual entertainment, objectives and appreciation. Each individual working that I spawn, separately and collectively as part of Ordo Rosarius Equilibrio, is an invariable and aesthetically veritable evidence of my psychical, spiritual and emotional person (condition) over a particular duration of time - the time betwixt its origin and completion. So alongside the invariable variations of all conceivable conditions akin to the setting of my individual persona, each aesthetic evidence of Ordo Equilibrio is engendered; and consequently I believe this makes Ordo Rosarius Equilibrio an application of self-catharsis. A priori, Ordo Rosarius Equilibrio seems to be a portrayal of a S-M musical development (judging by the last advertisements from Cold Meat Industry), albeit this is but one of two sides of the coin, specifically regarding your lyrics (which do not have a direct loom to the aforementioned theme). Can you tell me what arouses you to create such lyrics (be it personal occurrences or not)? Are you abstemious when writing or do you indulge in some artificial substances to obtain supplementary visions? I do not customarily engage in the use of any intoxicants during the process of creation; I am almost without exception when writing lyrics and, or composing music. What inspires me? I believe the entire concept and dissension of Life; the pleasure and anguish it accidentally incorporates - Love, Sex, War, Death; my love, arousal and affection for Rosemary are concepts inspiring enough to last a lifetime or two. All your album titles seem to be linked as an uproar of ideas that you want to describe in a symbolic way; elaborate further about your own description of them and also when do you first decide the titles (is it a priori, or after writing all the lyrics)? The decision of each work's respective title is something that ripens alongside the process of creation itself. Its outcome is completely independent to the writing of lyrics and the lyrics are coequally independent to the choosing of title. On occasion, the title is obvious almost forthwith, whilst occasionally, it awaits to befall until the very last instant of creation. Musically speaking, I think Ordo Rosarius Equilibrio distances itself from the other projects in Cold Meat Industry, as it's a bit more dissimilar and also it seems you don't have any problem in illustrating your own (perhaps unconscious) progression in the music, while the others seem to stagnate more. So what do you think is the secret for this and what are your musical influences from your early days to the present? I believe it is your opinion that I am less stagnant in comparison to other bands as part of C.M.I., but assuming that you are in fact somewhat correct, I believe it adheres to the situation that the aesthetic foundation from where I operate, is more comprehensive than that of various others; and which consequently gives me a conspicuous advantage in regard to elaboration and progress. At an early age, I was essentially listening to music from the 1950s and 1960s, but as I grew older, this preference instinctively evolved to affiliate electronic and industrial music. I read somewhere that you were to pool resources with MZ.412, Les Joyaux de la Princesse and also Rob Hardin (in view of the fact that you were not going to release any new album in 2 or 3 years). So can you explain a bit more about these projects and also what's the motive of not giving a free rein to any opus in such a long time? Naturally, I was uninspired, creatively drained and altogether exhausted at the time of completing and finally releasing Conquest, Love & Self Perseverance, in June 1998 and thus deserving of some vacation. But claiming that I would not release any new material in up to two maybe three years, was an attempt to reduce eventual expectations of having shortly forthcoming material to expect following its release. The estimated period of serenity and self-restraint however has almost passed now and it is hence due time for the awaited completion and release of yet another work (Make Love and War) on May 5th. What would you like to declare about the following: - Sexual Voyeurism: I endorse any consensus conduct sexual or non-sexual. - Fetishism and S-M: Sadomasochism is the appreciation of receiving and submitting pain, punishment, degradation and control; that is a mandatory requirement for any seemingly operative scenario. But despite the fact that either element does inflict physical and, or psychological pain and anguish, it pleases; consequently making the punishment a reward. While not attaining the punishment from a masochistic perspective is the factual punishment alone. Sadomasochism is consequently not the seizure of control, but command being given, rewarded and utilised in combination with undivided trust and respect. And consequently not any form of physical abuse and "involuntary" degradation, as many socio-politically conformed beings seemingly conceive. But more appropriately, an act of mutual consent between two or more individuals, voluntarily affiliated to a conscript environment of submitting and receiving pain, degradation, anguish and punishment. Sadomasochism is not customarily a substitute to any supposedly accustomed and ordinary sex, but more willingly a gratifying extension of the conventional sexual practices customarily appreciated and exercised. Fetishism is the erection of sexual arousal akin to a personal desire for a particular something; object, setting or situation. I personally apperceive any form of fetish as individually and sexually rewarding, in the situation that it does not become a compulsion and consequently confines the ability to function. I find stockings, corsets and high heels, in addition to assorted ventures of sadomasochism (along with bondage and domination), as personally invigorating elements as part of my individual life and sexuality; erecting an undeniable extent of desire and appreciation throughout my individual sexuality. - Homo and heterosexuals: homo, hetero and bisexuality are essentially important definitions by the conventional and sexually confined, by which to secure sexual identification and orientation and consequently prevent them from becoming perplexed in uncustomary situations of sudden attraction and lust; definitions by which to maintain and limit the signification of lust and attraction in circumference to gender. I believe anyone reasonably unprejudiced, given the appropriate setting and situation, would prove bisexual. - Social Darwinism: survival of the fittest; a visionary and ideal condition established on intrinsic and factual selection according to aptitude in circumference to will, determination and capability. But on the other hand, isn't this condition invariably the situation throughout every socio-political establishment - past, present and future - merely akin to each organism's individual definition of aptitude? Which currently suggests the honourable qualities of conformity, homogeneity and amenability. Making anyone disinclined and, or incapable to follow and obey, socio-politically inept and expendable. - Religious Doctrines: they are legion and have equally diversified content; some entirely vein, others more befitting and practicable. Convictions are not necessarily unavailing and undeviating useless to the extent that they operate to avail and convene the objectives and ambitions of an individual towards a desired and realisable goal. But as far as they merely operate to enforce dogma and limitation, they are better off availed to extinction. - Nazism and National Socialism: political doctrines just as any others. Two ideological conceptions on how to most appropriately operate two folks and their conscript province. Political doctrines currently, rabidly resisted by all western nations in unity with Israel, but fashionably being the conscript and contemporary constitutions of Israel if you care to consider its regime hard enough. - E.E.C.: an alliance established on the sole motives of monetary authority and short-term revenue; an application of unrestricted trade and commerce throughout the European community, by which to instigate and supervise the unconditional regime of undivided capitalism. It appears to give sound to a trumpet of ill will, don't you think? Some people think we'll cease to exist when the 1st of January of 2000 arrives (which in my opinion is merely ludicrous, as it proves a huge of ignorance), others that we will be crushed by a third antichrist and that Man's going to be witness his own demise, simply because he's the worst menace to the ecosystem (among other things). So in your belief, how do you view these allegations and also, what is your own interpretation of Armageddon? To all appearances, we did not face any foretold and complete extinction of mankind at this alleged transition in time. But as far as mankind continues to conduct itself through the self-annihilating manner it has assumed thus far, I do not believe we need to wait for too long to apperceive the expected ruin of the world as we know it. I believe civilisation as we know it, will crumble and consequently relapse to its cradle. This process is a necessary development in relation to the cycle of creation, destruction and renewal. All empires have ultimately crumbled: the Romans, the Greeks, the Egyptians, the Mayas, the Incas and the Babylonians; and the western civilisation will likewise ensue along the same path of progression. It's not an option, more appropriately the consequence of invariable transition. You have played live in the past, but unfortunately I was never able to witness any venue, so I am a bit interested to know about its setting. When performing live, I try to present an act that is aesthetically affiliated to the philosophical, spiritual and aesthetic aspirations of Ordo Rosarius Equilibrio (whether it is akin to contemplated irony, militia or fetishism), further accompanied by drums, banners and flaming fires. But as I am still investigating the possibilities and disadvantages with regard to performing live - and still am learning about the necessary constituents to appropriately succeed according to my aspirations - the performance will most certainly evolve as I proceed. And in conclusion, I can merely say: do not expect anything and you won't be disappointed. In short note, give me a complementary judgement from your future projects and ideas. Since receiving this interview and since the release of Conquest, Love, & Self Perseverance, in July 1998, I suppose matters and situations have transfigured slightly. Chelsea has resigned her participation from the formation by reason of personal disparities and separately alongside this resolution has befallen the wedlock between equilibrium & roses - Ordo Rosarius Equilibrio-The Order of Roses & Balance. But in order to avoid the consequential upsurge of unfortunate rumours proclaiming the hence ruin of Ordo Equilibrio, it may be affirmed and fortified that Ordo Equilibrio will persist, endure and prevail consistent through the essence of Ordo Rosarius Equilibrio. There are three impending releases scheduled for next year. First, the anticipated 4th CD Make Love and War, second the 2 x 7" box titled 4 Love 4 Life 4 Lust & Roses, in 444 copies and, finally, the long awaited video release which has and is being spawned in association with video artist Mikael Prey (a.k.a. Fetish 23). There is likewise a scheduled Ordo Rosarius Equilibrio appearance at the upcoming Wave Gothic Treffen, in Leipzig in June, alongside the possibility of a brief visit to Germany together with Deutsch Nepal and In Slaughter Natives, on April 28th - 30th to Munich, Bochum and Dresden. www.ordo-rosarius-equilibrio.net © 1999 The Lodge

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